Guerrilla Tactics for Getting the Legal Job of your Dreams
Author:
Walton, Kimm Alayne
Edition:
2nd
Copyright Date:
2007
43 chapters
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Chapter 24. Glamour Jobs: How to Nail Jobs in Sports, Entertainment, International 161 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Law student in the Midwest. She’s hyper interested in Sports Law. She gets the state bar association to sponsor a weekend conference on Careers in Sports Law. She contacts every professional sports team in the state, and gets them to send a representative; she also gets sports lawyers to come and talk about what they do.
- DO take classes in school involving issues that come up in sports: Sports law is an obvious target, but others aren’t. Collective bargaining, labor law, tax, estate planning, alternative dispute resolution, family law, insurance … as we’ve discussed before, all kinds of substantive areas touch on sports law.
- DO realize that if you go to a large law firm, don’t expect to go directly into sports. Instead, get a solid grounding in a specialty and keep your eyes open for serving sports clients. “Lateral” into it. You can do it with many, many specialties. For instance, you can start in employment litigation, represent nonprofits, and handle work for sports organizations in that capacity. Or you can work your specialty and volunteer for extra work from partners who handle sports clients. There are as many paths into sports at large law firms as there are sports lawyers.
- Maybe you’ve been a sports nut all of your life. If you live and breathe sports—except for your law school studies, of course—you would probably give anything to break into sports law. And if you want the job, you’ll probably
- http://sports-law.blogspot.com/
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Chapter 10. The Birds and Bees of Great Jobs: Where Do Great Jobs Come From? Part 2 142 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Law student in the Midwest. She’s hyper interested in Sports Law. She gets the state bar association to sponsor a weekend conference on Careers in Sports Law. She contacts every professional sports team in the state, and gets them to send a representative; she also gets sports lawyers to come and talk about what they do.
- I don’t care how broad or narrow your interest is. Sports. Entertainment. Dog law. Aviation. Maritime law. Space law. There are conferences held about every possible specialty you can imagine. And my advice to you is to
- • CLEs are given in every specialty you can imagine. Whether you’re interested in patent law, sports, entertainment, transactional work, litigation, international, you name it … there are CLEs offered on a frequent basis.
- What do you do if the speaker is hyper-popular? Sports and entertainment attorneys are often crowded in by law students ten deep when they speak. A student at one school asked me, “How do I distinguish myself when
- It’s a great success—particularly for her! She is a hero to her classmates, who love the conference—and she enjoyed putting it together. Career-wise, she gets to talk to her dream employers without asking them for a job. And what do they know about her? That she is the kind of person who takes initiative in a big way. They get to see her in a leadership position. And when she calls again for advice about breaking into sports law,
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Chapter Eight. Resumes: Squashing Three-Dimensional You Onto Two-Dimensional Paper Part 2 128 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Quick. You’re a tax attorney, and you get a resume from a student who’s president of the Sports Law society, organized a Sports Career Day at school, attended an ABA forum on Sports Law, and wrote a journal note about drug testing at sports events.
- Join the sports law society if you want to be a sports lawyer? Well, duh. But you’d be surprised how many students don’t take this simple step, and if you haven’t—do so immediately. And do more than that. Ask to get actively involved, so you can put something more than just “member” on your resume. For instance, get involved in seeking outside speakers, helping with the club’s website or e-newsletter—and if they don’t have those things, chip in to create them. And then, of course, make sure that you put on your resume what you’re doing.
- Third—they give CLEs on everything. Everything. I don’t care if you want litigation, transactional, international, sports, entertainment, dog law, you name it, they give CLEs on it. So you can easily match your interests.
- • Kickball. The sport for people who can’t play sports. The main activity of my youth, it is now fashionable again. It takes about five minutes to pick up and it’s fun, fun, fun.
- Make sure you focus on activities that show leadership, initiative, personality, responsibility, interests, energy, and anything that involved researching or writing, activities that stress your interpersonal skills, community participation, or suggest rainmaking potential like fundraising or team sports.
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Chapter Two. Figuring Out What the Heck the Job of Your Dreams Is 166 results (showing 5 best matches)
- It’s very easy to think that if you like a particular setting, then there’s only one route to getting into it. Take sports or entertainment, the two specialties about which I get questioned the most often. There are many, many ways to be in a sports or entertainment environment without technically practicing sports or entertainment law. For instance, as Susan Gainen points out, “Something very few people realize is that Insurance Law can actually be a very sexy specialty. That’s because for every sports deal, for every entertainment deal, there has to be an insurance lawyer at the table. It’s a crucial part of the package. Every sporting event, every facility needs insurance. Every sports figure needs worker’s comp.” Now, if anyone ever told you that
- Sports law is largely contracts law. Entertainment law—surprise surprise. Same thing. International Law doesn’t mean exotic international travel (not most of the time, anyway!). As one counselor explained it to me, “Whenever a student asks me about sports or entertainment law, I immediately ask them, ‘How do you like contracts?’ They’ll often say ‘Ugh!’ but that’s what those jobs
- “Secretary” isn’t the only misleading title. Entertainment, sports, and international law—I get more e-mails about those three specialties than any other. (They’ve even got their own chapter, Chapter 24.) Every career counselor at every law school in America has the same experience. And they all say the same thing: Look at what the job really
- it. Liking hot dogs doesn’t mean you’ll enjoy making them. Being a football fan doesn’t mean you’ll love working in Sports Law. Liking movies or wanting to hang with celebrities doesn’t mean you’ll like Entertainment Law. Liking to travel means you should get a job with vacation time, where you can travel for
- expensive sports car. The kind of car I only dream about owning. Honestly, a real beauty. The rest of our conversation is a blur to me. All I could think of was:
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Chapter Nine. Interviewing: “The Secrets That Turn Interviews Into Offers” Part 2 105 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Law student in the Midwest, really wanted a job in sports. He found out that a firm interviewing on campus was sending its managing partner, and that the partner was good friends with a sports superstar’s agent.
- believe. If you wind up working with the interviewer, there’ll be plenty of time for (ideally friendly) sports arguments!
- . Go to CNN.com, MSNBC.com, ABCNews.com, or your favourite news site. Scan lawfuel.com frequently for law-related news. Listen to NPR, and the front page of the Sports Section every day. You’re not busier than cadets at West Point. It’s a good habit to form!
- Let interviewers talk themselves into liking you, first. If they bring up sports, or the weather, or something in the news, go along with it. Keep up with current events for this very purpose. What you’re doing is creating the indelible impression in the interviewer’s mind that “I could work with this person.” That’s exactly how you want them to feel!
- Law student interviewing in a city we’ll call Lillyville—which has a law school, Lillyville Law School.
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Chapter 10. The Birds and Bees of Great Jobs: Where Do Great Jobs Come From? 207 results (showing 5 best matches)
- • At a Texas school, a female student at my Guerrilla Tactics seminar moaned, “I want Sports Law and the problem is that there are no women in it.” Another student piped up, “That’s not true. There’s a woman sports lawyer in town, she graduated from here, and she’s always willing to help students. Call her.”
- The same applies to coaches. If you took part in sports in undergrad, you had coaches who probably know tons of people. They know about your ability to be a team player and your self-discipline, which are qualities many employers seek. Particularly if you want to break into Sports Law, they can be a great bridge to people who can help you out.
- Law student dying to get into Sports Law, specifically motor racing. Her mother is a human resources person, and belongs to an association of human resources professionals. At an association lunch the mom mentions to the others at the table what her daughter wants to do. One of them turns out to be the human resources person for a nationally-known race track. She says, “Have your daughter call me.” The daughter calls, and winds up with a summer internship at the track.
- • At one law school in Nebraska, a student told me, “I’m tearing my hair out. I’m dying to get into sports, but my
- 1L at a law school in the Pacific Northwest. He’d worked at a prosecutor’s office before law school. He wanted to work at a U.S. Attorney’s office in the summer after 1L. Problematically, the office hired 1Ls … and the 2Ls they hired had stellar law school credentials, Law Review and top grades. This student was at the bottom of his law school class.
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Chapter Seven. Correspondence: Making Your Letters (and E–Mails) to Potential Employers 147 results (showing 5 best matches)
- • “I have always been a sports fan and so would be very interested in joining your Sports Law Department.”
- Another student, interested in Sports Law, had been a creative writing major. He wanted to send employers a short story he’d written along with his cover letter and resume. The fact that he wrote short stories is great for the “Hobbies” section of his resume (along with whether the stories had been published or won any prizes), and it’s fine fodder for an interview … but as part of an application package? Put yourself in the shoes of a Sports lawyer. You get a letter from a student with a story, “The Christmas Surprise.” You’d be confused.
- Of course, there are exceptions where sending additional material is appropriate. Even in the Sports Law short story setting, if the short story in question was about baseball and the lawyer in question represents baseball players, maybe. And if you’ve done as I suggest in the Birds and Bees chapter and written a short piece about an issue in the specialty—absolutely. Send it! But you can see how far down the spectrum this is from sending an unrelated article or a book.
- I am a second year student at Joe’s Drive–Thru Law School, and I am seeking a position with your firm for this summer. I am writing to your firm because of its excellent reputation and its location in San Francisco. I’ve always wanted to live in San Francisco because it has so much to offer—sports, culture, history—but I don’t need to tall
- Furthermore, my law school classes also prepared me well for a summer law clerk position. I recognize that strong legal research and writing skills are what legal employers like you seek in a candidate. [Law School’s] first year program provides excellent training in legal research and writing. As a student in the year-long course entitled “Law Firm” I am writing legal memoranda, conducting research, and drafting contracts and pleadings.
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Chapter Eight. Resumes: Squashing Three-Dimensional You Onto Two-Dimensional Paper 152 results (showing 5 best matches)
- “Punt, Passe and Kique (five-attorney firm). Summer intern 20**. Researched topics including higher education, labor and employment, bankruptcy, and sports and environmental law. Summarized research findings in memoranda. Researched and wrote trial briefs. Prepared material for CLE presentation on drafting sports contracts. Reviewed sports and entertainment contracts. Observed depositions, arbitrations, and mediations.”
- . The classic one, of course, is golf. Some employers go so far as to suggest that golf should be a required class in law school; some employers even teach their new lawyers how to play! But it’s not the only sport that counts. Tennis would play the same role. And it doesn’t have to be a sport. For instance, if you take part in Toastmasters—the nationwide organization that sharpens your off-the-cuff speaking skills—it would show the same rainmaking potential.
- Law student, heavily involved in synchronized swimming in college. Her Career Services Director and all of her friends beg her to leave it off her resume, because—well, you know. Everybody knows it’s a sport that requires tremendous athleticism and self-discipline, but it does have that fingernails-on-a-blackboard reputation.
- • Sports, be it golf, (the ultimate lawyer hobby), tennis, swimming, windsurfing, sailing, yacht racing, scuba diving. Team sports, from softball to cricket to paintball.
- Reading, cooking, “enjoy sports,” spending time with spouse and kids. Well, yay. The part about spending time with your family is vital and admirable, but it’s not really a hobby, which is why it doesn’t belong on your resume. And reading and cooking—nothing wrong with them on your resume, but spice them up! Do you like a particular kind of book—political biography, science fiction? One student wrote “Cheesy detective novels” on her resume with great success. What sports do you enjoy watching—or doing? (Incidentally, sex is not a sport, and it doesn’t belong on your resume.)
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Chapter 29. It’s 2nd Semester 3rd Year and I Don’t Have a Job—What the Heck Am I Supposed to Do Now 10 results (showing 5 best matches)
- I got an e-mail a few weeks later from the woman who’d seemed game to try activities. She told me that she’d gone to Texas over break, she’d taken two Sports CLEs, and she said, “You have no idea how great those were. I met several sports lawyers. I told them I was moving to Texas and wanted to get involved in Sports Law. One of them offered me an interview. I’m going to be working for him!”
- Honestly, the list of things that’ll work for you is just endless. Last year, for instance, I talked to two young women at a law school in Georgia. They were both 3Ls and it was January. They had the same question: “We’re going to graduate in May. We both want Sports Law. What can we do I rattled off a few ideas from Chapter 10. One of the activities I recommended was attending sports-related CLEs. They wanted to move to Texas, and I suggested they go there and do the CLEs over Spring Break. One of the women rolled her eyes and said, “I don’t have time for any of that stuff.” The other said, “OK.”
- Small law firms come to mind. Not only do they hire on an “as needed” instead of a fixed calendar basis, but they often need for you to be licensed to practice before they can bring you on. Many, many more law students work for small law firms than large ones, and truth be told they tend to be a happier work environment than large firms.
- It’s a mirage. As I’ve pointed out before, more than 50% of law students nationwide graduate from law school without a job in hand. It’s just that people who don’t have jobs tend to be quiet about it, and people who’ve nailed great gigs are noisy.
- For instance, as we discussed in the large law firms chapter, 23, there are all kinds of jobs you can take that will let you lateral into a large firm, whether it’s working for a government agency or developing an expertise at a small law firm or a whole bunch of other “interim” gigs.
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Chapter 18. Small Law Firms 91 results (showing 5 best matches)
- But for your more common “generalized” small firm, you’re better off not showing them a resume laser-focused on one specialty. For instance, if you’re looking at a small firm that does real estate, some family law and civil litigation you’re not going to send a resume that screams sports law or intellectual property!
- • If you love a particular sport, continue to play in an adult league and/or coach a kid’s team and/or get on the Board of Directors of a children’s sports organization.
- • “Teamwork” (e.g., sports teams);
- • You’ve taken part in volunteer activities (whether it was charitable or coaching sports or
- • You’ve played social sports like golf or softball;
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Chapter Five. Overcoming Rejection 39 results (showing 5 best matches)
- A famous story along these lines involves David Falk, Michael Jordan’s sports agent. When he graduated from law school he contacted ProServ, a blue-chip firm representing athletes. He got rejected. He called
- If you’re interested in a job in sports or entertainment—and judging from my e-mails, there’s a strong possibility you are—anybody will tell you that you have to be ‘persistent.’ Persistence is a code word for soldiering on in the face of ongoing rejection. It means you have to put up with rejection, often over and over and over again. I talk all about nailing those jobs later in this book, but the point I want to make here is that if you want a job that everyone else you know also wants, then that means you’re going to have to outlast them. Just like
- The fact is, you’re not unemployable. I’ve met tens of thousands of law students and I’ve never met who was unemployable. Your obituary is not going to read, “(S)he graduated from law school, and … that was it.” Every law student who ever
- Law In A Flash,
- College senior, getting ready to enter law school in the fall. For the summer before law school, he wanted to work in Washington.
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Chapter Nine. Interviewing: “The Secrets That Turn Interviews Into Offers” 134 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Or let’s say you volunteer at the bar association during law school, and you’ve researched an issue in family law, a specialty you’d like to practice. It shows off not just your research and writing skills, but also your enthusiasm for the practice area. Or maybe you were part of the varsity field hockey team in college. Sports, of course, are great resume items; they show your ability to be a team player, your ability to handle criticism, and your discipline.
- Climbed Ayers Rock? Raised a child while attending law school? backpacked through Europe? Is there a sport you enjoy? A student at one law school mentioned that she was an ultimate Frisbee player. “It’s unusual,” she pointed out, “and it highlights my skills as a team player.”
- and judgment. That is, if you have a resume that screams one thing—sports, entertainment, international, public interest—and you’re interviewing with personal injury outfit, they’ll think—hmm. Do you really want this, or did you wash out of your dream job? Or did you try it and hate it, so you’ve changed your focus—and you might hate us, too?
- customers, you can ask if you can talk about dealing with an angry teammate in a sport or on a school project, and how you overcame that.
- If you went pretty much straight from college to law school—as most law students do—the key thing to remember is that
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Chapter Three. Getting the Most Out of Your Career Services Office 18 results (showing 5 best matches)
- At every law school I visit, there will be students who’ve nailed phenomenal, unusual summer jobs. Entertainment jobs. Sports jobs. Unique opportunities in all kinds of desirable specialties. While they usually get these jobs through self-initiated contact with employers, there are always students who got their job the old fashioned way: through a posting at Career Services. I’ll ask, “How did you
- I hear this at almost every law school in America except, perhaps, Harvard. I joke about it whenever I give the law school classes, either!”
- The top 10% thing has an obvious source: On-campus interviews. At most law schools, the students chosen for on-campus interviews are in that elite decile. It varies from school to school—at some distinguished schools almost every student gets on-campus interviews, while at others I’ve visited, the portion of students that interview on-campus is “that guy”—but 10% is the average.
- it! We have some fine Law Review students …”
- When I visit law schools, I will periodically run into students who will swear up and down that people at the CSO told them they were unemployable. I met one student at a law school down South who walked up to me and huffily declared, loudly and in front of several of her classmates, “The Career Services Director told me straight out that I will
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Chapter 23. Large Law Firms: Are They for You? 112 results (showing 5 best matches)
- A recruiting coordinator reports that, “If a partner tells us to bring in a student for an interview, we do it. It might be someone who would never have gotten in with their resume.” What this highlights is the importance of finding ways to make yourself known—in a positive way!—to attorneys at large firms. The relevant activities can be found in Chapter 10. For example, writing and publishing articles, writing profiles of lawyers, taking part in writing contests, writing a Law Review note, volunteering at Career Services, helping out with your school’s Speakers’ Bureau, participating in your school’s mentoring program, fundraising, volunteering for law school committees, joining the bar association and volunteering, going to CLEs, joining sports teams, and clerking during the school year for a large firm.
- There’s a cottage industry built around slamming large law firm life. Books, blogs, movies—some of them really funny—they all suggest that life at large law firms is just awful. The comments I’ve heard from many career counselors and law firm lawyers and administrators certainly reflect that:
- Furthermore, although small firms start you off with much lower pay than large firms, your salary will grow much more quickly. Large firms suffer from what’s called “compression”—that is, the salaries stay relatively flat because of the high starting rate. At a small law firm, you can soon catch up with and even surpass what you would have made at a large law firm. On average, small law firm and large law firm salaries are only 10% apart after five years.
- You may think you have to try for a large law firm job because there’s very little else available. Wrong! As one Career Services Director points out, “Law students have this perception that large law firms are a majority of the market, but they’re not—not by a long shot.” Another adds that “Most students don’t wind up at large law firm, but rather at firms with 2 to 10 attorneys.”
- … And make no mistake about it; large law firms are laser-focused on grades. grades. Top-of-the-class grades. And Law Review. I’ve had the following conversation with more than one partner at large law firms:
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Chapter 30. I Graduated Without an Offer … Where the Hell Is My Job? 25 results (showing 5 best matches)
- • Take part in sports teams with local lawyers (they’re often sponsored by firms or bar associations);
- 3L, law school in New York. He meets with a small law firm; they like him and ask him about his salary expectations. He quotes a large law firm salary, and they respond, “Have a nice life.”
- I’m convinced that a lot of unemployed law school graduates hold themselves back from talking with people and going to law-related activities because they dread the question I dreaded:
- New graduate, Washington D.C. law school. She had contacted a law firm in the Fall semester of 3L, and got a form rejection. She does a seminar paper during Third Year, and since it concerns one of the firm’s practice areas, she sends it to them after graduation. The partners are intrigued with the paper, and invite her for an interview.
- New law school graduate in the Midwest. She’s taking Bar/Bri in Illinois, and she sits next to a guy who happens to be a lawyer from Texas, whose firm transferred him to its Chicago office. She asks him where he works, and he names a law firm she’s dying to work for. Through him, she gets an interview … and a job.
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Chapter Nine. Interviewing: “The Secrets That Turn Interviews Into Offers” Part 3 93 results (showing 5 best matches)
- No suites. No sports cars. No business class. No $28,000 lunches. (That actually happened, by the way—at an investment bank in New York. The bankers tried to
- • If you’re a woman, you can wear a conservative dress; men, a suit or sport coat and tie.
- A great question to ask of junior associates is, “What is a typical day like for you?” You can also ask whether or not people at the office socialize during the week. If they work late, the answer will probably reveal that: “Oh, no, by the time we get out, we just want to get home,” or “Sure, we get together for Happy Hours twice a week at the local watering hole.” Also listen for indirect indications that you’re expected to work long hours. For instance, if an interviewer talks about bringing doughnuts into work on Saturday mornings for everybody in the office, don’t expect to keep your weekends to yourself. If people keep talking about the great restaurants that deliver to the office, expect to be there in the evenings. If they play sports together, or they mention outside activities they’re involved in, their hours are probably more reasonable.
- Female law student, Midwestern law school. She gets very few call-back interviews. One of them is with an Atlanta law firm. She recalls, “I felt like such a grown-up. I was traveling a carry-on bag. I was wearing a suit. I was
- Male attorney, interviewing a female law student. By his own admission, he’s not very tidy, but he’s somewhat shocked when the law student proceeds to spend the entire interview tidying up his desk.
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Chapter Two. Figuring Out What the Heck the Job of Your Dreams Is Part 2 62 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Sports
- I am reminded of a story the mother of a former boyfriend told me. She had gone on a cruise, where a very fit woman turned down every fattening dessert. And trust me, on cruises, food is not a spectator sport. It turns out that this woman died in a car accident a week after the cruise was over. My boyfriend’s mother said triumphantly, “You see? What was the point of turning down those desserts?” Well … I think we can all see the point of turning them down. But in a larger sense—no pun intended—nobody knows what their future holds, or how much of it
- Shout-outs for materials excerpted in this chapter: University of San Francisco School of Law, Duquesne University School of Law, Northwestern School of Law of Lewis and Clark College, Santa Clara University School of Law, Catholic University Columbus School of Law, George Washington University Law School, New England School of Law.
- • Becoming an administrative law attorney (where you handle many diverse matters involving things like labor law, contract law, environmental law, the Freedom of Information Act, the Privacy Act, access to military installations, or interpreting military regulations).
- Law In A Flash,
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Table of Contents 21 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Chapter 24. Glamour Jobs: How to Nail Jobs in Sports, Entertainment, International …
- C. Sports
- A. The 34 Biggest Mistakes Law Students Make in Determining Their Dream Job
- Appendix C: Private Firms, Government, Corporations and More … Common Career Settings for Law School Graduates
- N. I Can’t Believe They Did It: Inexplicable Interview Behavior by Law Students
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Chapter 31. I Want to Be a Not–Lawyer: Alternative Careers 165 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Because the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) seems to promulgate rules at the rate rabbits procreate, there are an increasing number of jobs for compliance officers in Division I and Division II schools’ athletic departments. This job is a great jumping-off point for other sports oriented jobs, like working for the NCAA itself.
- Other than law school libraries, you can work in law firms, public law libraries, bar libraries, and corporate and government law libraries, including the Law Library section of the Library of Congress. Many state courts and state attorneys general have separate law libraries, as do many legislatures.
- to stereotype the rest of the practice of law the same way. I’m down with that, because it was a gruesome summer experience that convinced I didn’t want to practice law. I clerked at one of the biggest, most prestigious law firms in the country, and I was I thought to myself, “Working for a large law firm is what everybody wants to do. It’s the best you can do in law. And if makes me miserable, then I must not want to practice law at all.”
- of your law degree. As the Career Services Director at one law school points out, “You do anything with a law degree … as long as it involves practicing law.” Susan Benson echoes that, adding, “The ‘lawyer-as-surgeon’ idea, that you can do anything with a law degree, is ” As George Washington’s Laura Rowe Lane says, “What a law degree
- Some people can’t get out of law school fast enough. Others never want to leave. You may find it hard to believe, but people generally enjoy law school administration jobs (and their analogs in colleges.) That might be hard to believe because the law school personnel you see the most are professors, and let’s face it, you wouldn’t exactly characterize most law professors as Mr. Happy.
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Chapter 11. What the Internet Can—and Can’t—Do for You 91 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Sports and Entertainment jobs:
- (The American Bar Association Forum on the Entertainment and Sports Industries)
- www.sportslaw.org/ (The Sports Lawyers Association)
- www.jurist.law.pitt.edu
- (National Health Law Program; national public interest law firm; has links to career advice and job openings) (Central European and Eurasian Law Initiative; internship and fellowship opportunities)
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Chapter 28. “I’m A 1L. Where Do I Start?” 43 results (showing 5 best matches)
- am I going to nail it? What if I want something like sports or entertainment or…” Stop! Here’s the key. There’s
- Starting in November of your First Year, make a point of checking your CSO’s web site at least twice a week for new postings; if you can do it daily, even better (your CSO may also e-mail new postings to you). I’ve talked with so many 1Ls who nailed great summer jobs, some even in sports and entertainment, because they watched their Career Services postings like a hawk and jumped on those opportunities as soon as they came up.
- How about the hobby angle? Depending on the hobby and how much you love it, that’s a viable option. You need to remember that law touches everything; you name it, and there’s a law-related job associated with it. Serious oenophile (wine lover)? Law students have worked with lawyers who represent wineries and wine importers. Like animals? Law students have worked with zoo risk managers, who are lawyers. Like car racing? Law students have interned with NASCAR. If you
- I talked to a student at a law school in DC who’d taken the patent bar coming out of college, already held three patents of his own, and he wanted to spend his summer with a patent litigation firm talking about revamping the way patents are litigated, based on his own experience. “I don’t really want to practice law,” he said. “Should I even bother looking for this freakish summer job?”
- • It makes everything you learn in law school fall into place. I don’t know about you, but Civil Procedure still makes me go, “Huh?” But if you work for a judge, you see law in its “natural habitat.” It’s cool to see how the theory you learn comes to life.
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Chapter 25. Approaching the Bench: Judicial Clerkships 83 results (showing 5 best matches)
- No matter what happens in the interview, follow the judge’s lead. They’ll all have different styles. One clerk comments, “I interviewed with one judge who was a jokester, he was into sports, that’s what
- I’ll bet you didn’t know you could do this, did you? The fact is, I’ve known law students who took it upon themselves to write a Law Review note even though they didn’t grade or write on to Law Review. Law Reviews publish notes regardless of whether the author is on staff, if the note in question is good enough.
- There are many federal agencies that have administrative law judges. In all, there are over 1,000 administrative law judges in 28 different federal agencies. They hear cases pertinent to their particular agency. Not all of them hire clerks, but some do. The Federal Administrative Law Judge Conference on-line at
- want to go to a law firm (large firms pay a signing bonus for federal court clerks), a company, government agency, public interest organization, become a law professor—no matter what you want to do next—judicial clerkships are the “universal solvent.”
- Law student at a Southern law school. He performed two federal court internships. He reports how he got them: “I went door to door and knocked! I introduced myself to secretaries and asked if the judges needed any extra help. One judge told me, ‘My clerk is overwhelmed—here are a couple of projects to research.’ ”
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Chapter 14. I Go to Not-Harvard. How Do I Make up for My School? 26 results (showing 5 best matches)
- It may well be that your law school offers concentrations in certain practice areas, like health law, financial services, litigation, public sector law, international law, you name it. As the Career Services Director at one law school points out, “You can sell those concentrations! For instance, you can tell an employer, ‘I’m applying to you because of my interest in Securities. I’m in this concentration. Our law school has dedicated a lot more resources to this concentration than most law schools. For instance, we have more classes, more professors, and more adjuncts focusing on this area. OK, I realize my law school is not a brand name, but we have an emphasis in this niche, which is world-class.’ ”
- Gee, here’s a headline for you: people can be jerks. When you mention where you go to law school, there will be people who’ll sneer. I remember before I even started law school at Case Western, I was at a party and met friends of friends. When they asked me what I did and I mentioned I was about to start law school at Case, one of the guys said, “I wouldn’t even bother going to law school if I didn’t go to Harvard.”
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- There are various careers—we discuss them in Chapter 31 on Alternative Careers—where a law degree is helpful but not mandatory. In those careers, a degree from an unaccredited school has the same benefits as any other law degree. Whether you want to go into real estate development, the medical profession, or you want to go into a law firm administrative position like recruiting coordinator, marketing director or executive assistant, a law degree is a real plus. If you can get it cheaply and on a flexible schedule—why not?
- Law student from a third tier school, sends a letter to a judge. He hand writes across the top of the letter,
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Chapter 22. Second (or Third or Fourth or Fifth) Career People (Including Returning–to–Paid–Work Moms) 69 results (showing 5 best matches)
- If you were involved in technology before law school, it’s a no-brainer to go into intellectual property law. If you were a doctor or a nurse, health law or med mal is an obvious choice. If your background is in accounting, tax law beckons you.
- Legal specialty: Employment Law, Labor Law, Employment Benefits Law
- If you took two years off between college and law school, this isn’t an issue. But if you’ve got a decade or more on your law school classmates, you may find ageism rearing its ugly head when you go to look for jobs. Interviewers may be flat out insulting. There’s even a nickname for the problem: The “Vampire Syndrome,” as in: the relentless quest for new blood.
- Legal Specialty: Tax Law, Mergers and Acquisitions, Family Law
- I talked to one student who’d been a pediatrician before law school, and he intended to offer high-net-worth people a 24–hour medical and legal service when he graduated from law school.
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Chapter 21. Students of the Night: How Do I Get a Job When I’m Working Full–Time? 41 results (showing 5 best matches)
- OK. It can be expensive. And it can take a lot of time. But there’s no law that says that you to use your law degree. You may well find that spending four years in law school, around law students and professors, reading cases and talking with practitioners, all makes you realize, “Hey. I’ve got it pretty good!”
- Law student, East Coast law school. He starts in a full-time day program. After First Semester, he realizes that his grades are not going to get him into his dream job: a high-powered large Chicago law firm.
- There’s nothing that stops you from seeking a full-time, year-round day job in law while you’re still in school. You can start anytime after First Year. This gives you the benefit of seeing law practice from the inside. You’ll get great practical skills. You’ll be able to put in perspective what you’re learning at night.
- involved in, law related or not, including community activities. (Remember: law is a business. Community involvement is a code word for “rainmaking potential.”)
- If the interviewer mentions Law Review or Journal in particular, an underlying issue is your ability to write. Whether it’s in law school, through a related activity like a clinic, bar project or competition, or any other part of your life that gave you the opportunity to develop your writing skill, mention it.
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Chapter 10. The Birds and Bees of Great Jobs: Where Do Great Jobs Come From? Part 3 59 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Law student, California law school. He stands at a busy intersection with a sign reading, “Law school graduate, will work for honest wages.”
- New graduate of an East Coast law school. She sends a five-sentence e-mail to alums that practice family law in the city where she wants to live. The e-mail is nothing special; she asks for advice.
- Female law student, Midwestern law school. She sees an article in a legal publication about “The Fifty Best Women Lawyers In X,” the city where she goes to school.
- Perhaps the two most famous law career job fairs are the Equal Justice Works Fair (in Washington DC every Fall—a “must” for any student interested in public interest), and the Patent Law Program in Chicago every Spring—just the place to be if you’re interested in Intellectual Property. (To find a complete run-down on the job fairs available to law students, check the website www.nalp.org/schools/fairlist.htm)
- Law student at a Midwestern school reads about a diversity job fair down South. He diligently reads the promotional literature, and can’t find a definition of ‘diversity’ anywhere in it. Reasoning that “geography can be a type of diversity,” he registers for the job fair, figuring that “Our law school admits students based on geographical diversity, so maybe it will apply for this fair, too.”
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Chapter 26. Do the Right Thing: Public Interest 41 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Legal services offices generally receive support from the Legal Services Corporation, a federally funded program that awards grants to organizations nationwide to provide legal services to low-income people. The practice areas generally include family law, consumer law, government benefits, bankruptcy, housing, and education law.
- I don’t have statistics to back it up, but my guess is that a public interest career would make more law students happy than anything else they could do with their law degree. I talk to law school graduates who do all kinds of things, and sometimes they have jobs they like very much, but the people who seem the most devoted to their careers are the public interest lawyers. Because there’s a lower profit motive than there is with many kinds of jobs, people who go into public interest work tend to be more dedicated to what they’re doing, and dedicated people are more likely to be happy. One public interest lawyer—a young woman who helped battered women in Africa—said to me, “All of the people I graduated from law school with question why they’re doing what they’re doing. They’re all making so much more money than me. But I tell them, ‘Represent one battered woman, and you’ll never question what you’re doing again. You’ll realize why you went to law school in the first place. Your...
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- Law school student at a New England law school. She desperately wants to break into public interest work, but her dream job pays $40,000 and her student loan payments will be too high for her to afford to take it. Heartbroken, she turns down the offer.
- • Look on-line at new developments in the area of the law that interests you, and read (or at least skim) any relevant law review articles.
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Chapter 16. “I Go to a Distinguished School 47 results (showing 5 best matches)
- As you know, large law firms are the most common employers of students from prestigious law schools. But of course, large law firms aren’t all alike, and, as one counselor points out, “Students ask me all the time, ‘What’s the difference? How do I pick?’ It’s not like there’s a U.S. News ranking called ‘The law firm that will make you happy!” “It’s difficult to have a bunch of options and not be able to distinguish between them,” in the words of another counselor.
- Hiring partner at a large law firm, interviewing on-campus at a prestigious law school. She reports, “All day, I was so bored I couldn’t stand it. I interviewed student after student who had the same bland aspect. They all talked about Law Review, what they were looking for in a firm, not one of them was somebody I could even remotely see myself working with …
- pressure on you to go to a large law firm, isn’t there? Who largely populates on the on-campus interview schedule? Who funds all of the lavish receptions? Who would students at every other law school in the country to work for? The large law firms that are all over you, “like flies on a rib roast,” in the words of Randy Quaid in
- Here’s the deal. When you go to a prestigious school, large law firms that are the dream of law students everywhere are the coin of the realm. Problematically, the further your goals fall
- We talk all about Alternative Careers in Chapter 31. I mention that right up front, because as is true for the “non-large-firm” employers we just discussed, an elite law school degree won’t give you a leg up in alternative careers. They’re certainly within your reach, but you’ll have to do the work any other law student would do to state your case.
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Chapter One. The Secret to Being Happily Employed for the Rest of Your Life 23 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Here’s a story that proves the point. Female law student, first year at a law school in Florida. She’s seriously interested in getting into International Law. The problem? Law school hasn’t been the Happy House when it comes to grades. Her undergrad credentials? Not much better. So she knows her credentials aren’t going to get her what she wants. But she does a few very smart things.
- In order to explain the principle to you, I’m going to use a hypothetical. Not like the ones you get in law school classes; I can’t call on you and humiliate you in front of your classmates, and even if I could, I wouldn’t. No, in this hypothetical, you’re not going to be a law student any more. You’re a lawyer. the one who’s back in law school, and I want a job from you. So I send you my resume. And on my resume, you see that I’m in the bottom ten percent of my class, and I really haven’t done much of anything.
- A couple of things to note about this strategy. First, don’t do this for large law firms. You shouldn’t send folders or other than straight documents to them; they’ll make a file for you, and folders, binders and the like just make extra work for them. For everybody else, sure. But not large law firms.
- of them, to be exact—and had listed them on her resume, directly below her law school education. She told me that she had walked into a handful of law firms in the Fall, and when she handed over her resume—and they saw all the CLEs she’d taken—they were immediately impressed. One of them made her an offer on the spot, doing exactly what she wanted to do—Labor Law.
- So—I’ve got the same grades, but suddenly based on what I’ve sent you, I look a whole lot better to you. Let’s go back to our basic hypothetical and change the facts again. Let’s say that I’m still looking for a job, but this time I don’t send you anything. Let’s say instead that you’ve decided that you want to hire a law student, or a new graduate, and just as you’re about to look through the five thousand unsolicited resumes that have been e-mailed to you, you get a call from your friend Libby Zbiblenik, who says: “Listen, I know you’re looking at hiring a law student. I was just at a bar association function (or a continuing legal education seminar, or conference, or whatever), and I was sitting next to this law student, and she’s a ball of fire—if you’re going to hire
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Chapter Four. The Most Important Element of Your Image 6 results (showing 5 best matches)
- New law school graduate. He has trouble nailing a law-related job, and to pay the bills in the meantime, he takes a job working the cash register at Wal Mart.
- The most important element of your image. What could it be? Great grades? Nope. Law Review? Sorry. Phenomenal work experience? Doesn’t hurt … but that’s not it.
- Here’s the set up. You’re a legal employer. I’m a law student. I send you a letter that reads:
- I am currently a law student. I’d like to start my career with you, because I believe that by working for you, I will learn how to deal with clients. I will learn how to behave in court. I will hone my research skills. I
- Now, you may be thinking what I would have thought when I was in law school: “That’s all well and good—but what exactly
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Chapter 19. Going Solo From the Start 8 results (showing 5 best matches)
- If your law school offers a course on law practice management—some do—take it. Bar associations also offer seminars on opening our own firm; make sure you seek them out and attend. Dave James encourages you to “Learn all you can about the business side.”
- Other resources: Jay Foonberg’s excellent classic book, “How to Start and Build a Law Practice.”
- 3L, New England law school. He became a certified intern with the public defender’s office, with the goal in mind of starting his own practice when he graduated.
- • Talk with LEXIS/NEXIS and Westlaw about discounts. On top of that, discuss with law librarians about which services are free, and which are the best.
- A third, and less direct method, is to go to your Career Services Office at school and tell counselors your goal. Most law students don’t appreciate what a gold mine their Career Services Office really are; they do so much more than organize on-campus interviews.
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Chapter 20. Coming to America: Job Search Advice for International LL.M.s 32 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Incidentally, it’s up to you to know your visa status! Rely on your law school’s international office for help in ascertaining it. The recruiting coordinator at one large law firm commented, “It’s amazing how many times we’ll have foreign LL.M.s say casually, ‘Oh, my visa permit expired.’ It’s a
- 1. Your law school back home (or other law schools in your country);
- b. Have an opening line ready. Don’t say, “I’m an LL.M.” As a career counselor points out, “Your LL.M. is not your most attractive asset. Don’t wear it on your forehead.” Instead, say, “I’m studying at X Law School,” or “I’m studying corporate law and I’m enjoying it.”
- u. If your home country law firm was a correspondent firm for a U.S. or international firm, say so. Put in brackets, for instance, [correspondent law firm for Baker & McKenzie].
- Throughout the pursuit of my law degree in Venezuela, I held legal positions which often required as many as thirty hours of work each week. Those positions enabled me to attain, while still in school, the practical experience one ordinarily only receives years after graduation from law school. I look forward to putting that experience to work on your firm’s behalf.
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Chapter 12. After the Offer 14 results (showing 5 best matches)
- The general counsel is so furious he calls the law student’s dean at the law school, ranting, “I will
- A 3L, from a very prestigious East Coast law school. He interviews with a large, prestigious Florida law firm, and he receives an offer.
- Related issues—Negotiating for more money: Chapter 18, “Small Law Firms,”
- Law student, California school. During his 2L summer, he clerks with a prestigious firm. The firm makes him an offer at the end of the summer, and he accepts it.
- blown off law school. When the firm confronted him, he responded, “Gosh. I guess I thought you knew.”
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Chapter Six. Detective Work: The Prerequisite to Every Employer Contact, From Cover Letters to Interviews 30 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Law student in Oklahoma. He gets out of First Year in a very enviable position: Number One in his class. He waltzes into law school Second Year, confident that every employer who visits his campus will want him.
- If you’re sending correspondence to a particular lawyer or have an interview with a specific attorney there, you have to read their profile. Look and see where they’re from, where they went to college and law school, what their extracurriculars were, their career path since law school. Look at the hobbies they mention.
- If you’re researching an employer and you haven’t chosen a contact “target,” attorney profiles will help you identify him/her. Look again for points of commonality: law school, a college major, an undergrad school, perhaps a career before law school or an important extracurricular (a club or society or fraternity/sorority).
- NALP stands for the National Association of Law Placement. The NALP Directory, which is on-line at www.nalpdirectory.com or in hard copy at your Career Services Office, compiles detailed information about large law firms all over the country. Law firms take a
- Try: www.law.com, www.lawfuel.com, www.jurist.law.pitt.edu. You can also keep up with legal news with Westlaw easily, using www.lawschool.westlaw.com:
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- And finally, to my adorable little son Harry. I ask you: in the absence of visiting law schools with a potty-training three-year-old, when would one ever have the opportunity to say, in the presence of distinguished law school deans, “Harry—I’ll bet the dean here wears big boy underpants.”
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Chapter 17. I Want to Be Not Here: Advice for Out–of–Town Job Searches 25 results (showing 5 best matches)
- Remember that your professors might provide useful out-of-town contacts as well. Check profiles of your law school professors on your law school’s website to see what they’ve done before, where they’re from, where they went to school…and you can also ask at Career Services to see if they know any professors who’ve got ties to the city you’re targeting.
- Law student in St. Louis, wants to work in a city in Virginia. She gets onto the Virginia City’s lawyers’ listserv. One of the lawyers has an open question about online research. The student offers her advice about research alternatives, and mentions her law school. A Virginia lawyer who reads her response asks her to come in for an interview when she’s in town.
- I talked to a student at a law school in Massachusetts who had grown up in Boston, gone to law school in Texas for a year “to do something different,” got homesick and came back to Massachusetts. Now she was back, she realized all the things she liked about Texas, and wanted to go back
- Law student in Colorado, interviewing with a Washington, DC law firm.
- Law student in the Midwest, applies to law firms in several cities in Texas. He tells each one, “My wife just accepted a position in…” and plugs in the name of each city.
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Chapter 13. “Help! My Grades Stink!” 40 results (showing 5 best matches)
- • Western law school. The Career Services Director runs a panel that features alumni in very important positions in Washington, D.C. One of the panel members is a guy who heads a governmental agency–an extraordinarily good job! After the panel is over, one of the law professors in the audience pulls the Career Services Director aside, gestures toward the guy from the agency, and whispers to her, “Can you believe it? We didn’t think he’d make it through law school!”
- You may find, after some serious thinking, that the reason you’ve done poorly in law school is that you’ve been sabotaging yourself, that you really don’t want to be a lawyer, and that by getting poor grades, you’ve subconsciously tried to destroy it as an alternative. If that’s the case, get thee to Career Services, and talk with a counselor about it. One of two things will be true: either you’re not familiar with law-related jobs that you would truly love (and be motivated to work toward), or it’s time to consider an alternative career (we discuss those in Chapter 31), or even whether you want to finish law school at all. You can bomb at law and be perfectly successful otherwise, you know. It happens all the time. Remember the writer/director Billy Wilder? He was forced to go to a high school for problem students. He wound up as a law student at the University of Vienna, where he lasted three months before he crapped out. He went on to win six Academy Awards for directing and...
- If you don’t believe that, it’s because your mind has been poisoned by the evil atmosphere of law school. It’s incredible how, as soon as the very first grade comes out, people are immediately typecast by their grades. People in the top 10% of the class are “smart,” and their classmates are branded according to rank all the way down the food chain to the bottom of the class. Few things in law school broke my heart as much as seeing classmates who’d entered law school bursting with enthusiasm, full of hopes and dreams, having their spirit broken by a couple of bad grades First Year. It was cruel and it was largely unnecessary. And do you know why? Because your ability to be a great lawyer is much more a reflection of the qualities you brought to law school, the enthusiasm you’ll bring to your job, than it is on how you performed on a single three-hour exam for each class. You just don’t feel that way because you’re in the thick of law school right now. So, much of my task in this...
- • My own law school roommate is a prime example of trumping bad grades. I was no Einstein, but she was the worst law student on the face of the planet. I don’t remember her ever doing a shred of homework throughout law school. She’d go out drinking every night, wake up at five minutes to nine every morning, run her hands through her hair, and show up, disheveled and hung-over, for our 9 o’clock class. She only got one answer right when she was called on in class for the entire time we were in law school, and that’s only because she happened to have her
- • Law student at a Midwestern law school, in the bottom 5% of the class. Desperate for a job, he took a low-paying job with the state department of insurance. Through that, he made contacts at a small insurance company, and got a job there as in-house counsel. Unbeknownst to him when he took the job, the small company was planning to merge with an enormous, well-known insurance company, and when the merger went through, he became assistant general counsel, with a six-figure salary.
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- came out ten years ago, I’ve had the great fortune of visiting almost every law school in America. Career services people, professors and law firm administrators have been incredibly generous in sharing their wisdom (and favorite anecdotes) with me, and this book reflects what I have learned from them. If you attend a law school (or are with a firm) where any of these people work, I hope you’ll seek them out and thank them for contributing, because this book, quite literally, would not have been possible without them.
- Shout outs to the thousands of wonderful law students from all over the country who have shared with me their career dreams, fears, and experiences. They are the ones who determined the scope of this new edition, and breathed life into it with their stories of triumph and tribulation. Of those many, many law students, I must cite three in particular who are simply extraordinary, and have inspired me more than I ever inspired them: Jonathan Dichter (Seattle University), Suzanne Hill (SUNY Buffalo), and Chris Borsani (Duquesne).
- Lisa Abrams, The University of Chicago Law School
- Chasity Adewopo, Indiana University School of Law/Indianapolis
- Betsy Armour, Boston University School of Law
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- As Oklahoma City’s Carol Kinser points out, “Many successful attorneys were nervous law students once. They will sympathize with you. Keep that in mind to take you over that initial outreach ‘hurdle.’ Try turning the tables. When you get to be a practicing attorney, if you received a call or an e-mail from a law student asking for some much-needed mentoring assistance, wouldn’t you be happy to help … recalling that you were once where they are now? In a heartbeat!”
- shy, and can give you some pointers from personal experience on how to deal with it when you practice law!
- difficult to feel comfortable with people when you feel fake. A reserved student at one law school said to me, “How am I supposed to keep up a charade of enthusiasm?” It’s only a charade if you really don’t want what you’re going after. If you’re confident and outgoing in some situations but you’re reticent in others, maybe you need to try the suggestions we’ve already discussed … or maybe you need to reexamine your goals.
- There’s no question that extroverted people have an edge in their job searches. They interview well, they approach people with ease. Yet the irony is that shy people are often much better at work. Introverts focus better and concentrate more effectively than their more extroverted brethren. On top of that, you might be surprised to learn that most Fortune 500 CEOs are introverted. Research suggests that while extroverts have an edge getting into the first rung of management, when introverts do break through they progress better and more quickly. As recruiting coordinators tell me often, law firms
- This was the case with a student in Oregon. She was working full-time in human resources at a company, and going to law school at night. She was
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Chapter 15. I Didn’t Get an Offer From My Summer Employer 7 results (showing 5 best matches)
- If there’s a law school equivalent of the Scarlet Letter, it goes to students who get dinged by their summer clerkship employers. Not getting invited back is an undeniable stigma, and if it happens to you, I feel for you.
- I won’t go into detail here, except to tell you that I clerked for an enormous, prestigious law firm. At the end of the summer, the firm extended offers of permanent employment to 21 of the 22 clerks in my office.
- boner. I’ve seen law students do it, and I understand the temptation: it’s so much easier to avoid doing all of the work I’m telling you to do, and simply lie to future employers about receiving an offer.
- made. He worked with another clerk for a small law firm, and the other clerk took a week’s vacation in the middle of the summer. The boss noticed that this clerk was doing all the work for a few days, and commented, smiling, “Why is it that you’re doing all the work?” and the clerk responded, similarly light-heartedly, “Because I guess [the other clerk] is a slacker.” When the other clerk got an offer and this student didn’t, he combed back over the entire summer and said, “It must have been that. I can’t think of anything else. He liked all of my work.”
- What Law School Doesn’t Teach You
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- When it comes to the coverage in each chapter, you have to remember that I’ve lived and breathed this stuff for ten years now. I’ve heard every question on Earth. The detail level in this book is designed to cover every question I’ve ever received, every issue I’ve ever heard about when it comes to law student job searches. As a result, some of the material here will was in law school. But you’re probably a lot smarter than me. For another thing, you’ll know things that other students don’t know, and vice versa. So I had to cast a wide net to cover everybody.
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- Thomson/West have created this publication to provide you with accurate and authoritative information concerning the subject matter covered. However, this publication was not necessarily prepared by persons licensed to practice law in a particular jurisdiction. Thomson/West are not engaged in rendering legal or other professional advice, and this publication is not a substitute for the advice of an attorney. If you require legal or other expert advice, you should seek the services of a competent attorney or other professional.
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- Publication Date: March 17th, 2008
- ISBN: 9780314176776
- Subject: Career Success
- Series: Academic and Career Success
- Type: Academic/Prof. Development
- Description: This work is the key to getting the legal job of your dreams. It leads you step-by-step through everything you need to do to nail down that perfect job. You'll learn hundreds of simple-to-use strategies that will get you exactly where you want to go.
